014: Britney Hartley Pt. 1

BritHartleyMormonDiscussion interviews Brittney Hartley. She discusses her faith journey which took her out of the church and then back in. She also discusses several topics important to the sisters of the church offering a better framework to support the sisters in their their faith and with the issues that concern them.To reach Brittney Hartley – brittneylhartley@gmail.comRobert Millet “Within Reach” https://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/robert-l-millet/within-reach/_/R-400000000000000680847Brad Wilcox – “His Grace is suffcient” – http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1966http://byutv.org/watch/49475abb-10d4-4f45-a757-7000b9945468″The Continous Atonement” – http://deseretbook.com/Continuous-Atonement-Brad-Wilcox/i/5013881


015: Britney Hartley Pt. 2


Part 2   MormonDiscussion interviews Brittney Hartley. She discusses her faith journey which took her out of the church and then back in. She also discusses several topics important to the sisters of the church offering a better framework to support the sisters in their their faith and with the issues that concern them.To reach Brittney Hartley – brittneylhartley@gmail.com

Robert Millet “Within Reach” https://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/robert-l-millet/within-reach/_/R-400000000000000680847

Brad Wilcox – “His Grace is suffcient” – http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1966http://byutv.org/watch/49475abb-10d4-4f45-a757-7000b9945468

“The Continous Atonement” – http://deseretbook.com/Continuous-Atonement-Brad-Wilcox/i/5013881


012: Multiple First Vision Accounts

First VisionCritics like to inform members of the LDS Church that Joseph had multiple accounts of his First Vision and that they contradict each other. They go so far as to say this is evidence that Joseph’s view of the Godhead was an evolving view.There are numerous Apologetic sites to explain the differences and why they are there but this podcast addresses what are the other Accounts and where do they come from. They are included here in the resources so that one may read them for themselves.Important Points1.) Only 4 are considered First Hand 5 are 2nd or 3rd hand2.) Joseph’s selectively chose what to share and what not to based on audience just as each of us do when sharing our personal stories3.) His personal understanding of these events may have grown over time impacting how he sees the events and the importance of various parts. Ex: personal forgiveness vs restoration for mankindResources







011: Brian Whitney Pt. 2

BrianWhitneyBrian Whitney is a moderator at the New Order Mormon web site – http://www.newordermormon.org/Brian also is currently working at the LDS Church History Department.Our interview covers Brian’s early life, discovering the LDS Church, and his own personal Faith Crisis journey. While every Faith journey is different, there are common themes that begin to surface through Brian’s telling of his.


010: Brian Whitney Pt. 1

Brian Whitney is a moderator at the New Order Mormon web site – http://www.newordermormon.org/Brian also is currently working at the LDS Church History Department.Our interview covers Brian’s early life, discovering the LDS Church, and his own personal Faith Crisis journey. While every Faith journey is different, there are common themes that begin to surface through Brian’s telling of his.


009: Receive the Holy Ghost

HolyGhostHave you received him?  There’s more to it then hands on your head!

Might you consider the following talks as you go through this podcast and study what it takes to truly receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost.
Elder Bednar -“Ye Must Be Born Again” – http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/04/ye-must-be-born-again?lang=eng&query=born+again+(name%3a%22David+A.+Bednar%22)

Elder D. Todd Christofferson – “Born Again” – http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2008/04/born-again?lang=eng&query=benson+born+god

Elder Henry B. Eyring – “This Day” – https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/04/this-day?lang=eng

Hugh Pinnock – “Our Companion” – http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=519

James Porter – “Receiving and Recognizing The Holy Ghost” – http://speeches.byu.edu/index.php?act=viewitem&id=1945

LDS.ORg definition – http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=e2462f2324d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD


008: Defining Doctrine


Have you ever been taught in the church that

– the Earth was 6,000 years old?

– All native Americans are Lamanites?

– Evolution is absolutely false

Have you discovered some comments by leaders that are racist and offensive?

Have you ever heard a crazy opinion from a leader that you disagreed with?

Many of us have and as we in our mind define the Church, many of us make the mistake of incorporating these ideas into what we consider to be the “Official Doctrine” of the Church.  Sometimes these items are so obtrusive to our making progress that they cause us to leave the church or to wallow in a faith crisis for long periods of time.  We need not have this happen.  We simply need to confront our perception and fix it where it is skewed and doesn’t match reality.

Once one confronts this issue one recognizes very quickly that the Church has all along cautioned it’s members from taking the words of one leader or member and constituting that as Doctrine.

Resources for this podcast

D. Todd Christofferson – https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2012/04/the-doctrine-of-christ?lang=eng

Neil Anderson Q12 – http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2012/10/trial-of-your-faith?lang=eng

FAIR-Doctrine- http://www.fairlds.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf

Bob Millet – http://www.ldsces.org/xml/iws/60500/RLM%20What%20is%20Our%20Doctrine.pdf

Church Newsroom – http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine

Thanks for Listening!!!!!


007: Return to Fishing and a Quest for Loyalty


This Episode is based on Elder Hollands Recent Conference Talk “The First Great Commandment”. Elder Holland made a great observation, which as I consider the story is very likely.

In his talk he makes mention of “Cafeteria Mormon”, Faith Crisis, Loyalty to God and his Gospel.

I tried to give Elder Holland’s talk some background by including a Story from Dale Sturm’s talk regarding Luke Chapter 5.

The resources from this podcast are as follows

Dale Sturm “Faith is a Decision” http://www2.byui.edu/DevotionalPlayer/BYUIplayer.html?StartCue=42&EndCue=1539&VideoName=2012_01_31_DV_Sturm





Elder Jeffrey R Holland of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles OCT 2012 – “The First Great Commandment”


Elder Jeffrey R Holland of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles April 2011 “Ensign to the Nations”


If you have hit a plateau, have withdrawn your activity, have never put your full energy into the gospel…. this episode is for you.


006: Grace: Perfected in Christ

Grace – One of the most important principles in the Doctrine of Christ is so often misunderstood in LDS circles.  Many feel Grace is only a last minute booster that assist us once we have done all we can do.  Is that really what the church teaches?  This episode is spent giving a synopsis of the 4 part Doctrine of Christ episodes.

Grace is my favorite topic to discuss within the church but it is tied to multiple other principles                    MERCY, PERFECTED IN CHRIST, SANCTIFICATION, HUMILITY, MERITS OF CHRIST, PRESSING FORWARD WITH STEADFASTNESS, FAITH, REPENTANCE, ORDINANCES.

This episode represents my view only though I feel it is supported by LDS scriptural cannon as a whole and also seems to portray Grace in a way that other faiths can relate to.


As a background there are seven talks that are a must read/listen (Not that you must read them here but if you want to know where my view derives from, these are it)

Brad Wilcox – His Grace is Suffcient http://byutv.org/watch/49475abb-10d4-4f … 00b9945468 Stephen Robinson – “Believing christ” http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=489

Robert Milllet – “Grace after all we can do”  http://byutv.org/watch/60717463-af28-4478-b759-b51f0278d1cb#!page=1&season=2012

Robert Millet – “Why not speak of the atonement” http://byutv.org/watch/4c198ffd-2dc7-46 … a1c700ca21

Brad and Wendee Wilcox – “faith, an anchor to  my soul  http://ce.byu.edu/cw/womensconference/archive/2007/pdf/BradWilcoxandWendeeWilcox-2007.pdf

Bruce R McConkie “what think ye of salvation by grace” http://speeches.byu….der.php?id=6910

Gerald Lund “salvation: by Grace or works” http://www.lds.org/e…-works?lang=eng

ScriptureS I use all the time to reference my views and to teach grace and the pure Doctrine of Christ2nd Nephi all of chapter 31 with special focus to verse 18-21 then going to Ch 32:6Helaman 3:352nd Nephi 2:33rd Nephi 27:16-20Alma 42:22-24Alma 24:11Mosiah 5:15Jacob 4:7, 12Ether 12:272nd Nephi 25: 23-26, 29-30Alma 24:11 (goes with 2nd Nephi 25:23)Moroni 10:32-33D&C 19:11-18followed up by D&C 88:21Alma 5:12-15, 26, 28 through the endD&C 20:30-34D&C 137:9Abraham 3:25Galatians 3:24Galatians 2:20-212nd Corinthians 12:7-10Romans 14:1-8Romans 11:27-32Romans 10:9-13,Romans 10:3Romans 8:6-14Romans 8:1-4Romans 6:14-19Romans 5:1-9 &17-19Romans 4:3-5, 16, 24-25Romans 3:7-12, 20 -end of chapter Romans 2:11-15

There are many others but this will get you started.

Written Synopsis

1.) – Most Latter Day Saints use either 2nd Nephi 25:23 or the Bible Dictionary to share their understanding that grace comes in after and only after we do all we can do and expend our own best efforts. Nobody ever does their best for a whole day nevermind a lifetime. We fall short. Because many think they have to do their best they become depressed, discouraged, and give up. This understanding of 2nd Nephi 25:23 is incorrect. the after has many meanings. It can also be translated as notwithstanding or nevertheless. In other words “inspite of all I do, it is Grace by which I am saved”. The bible Dictionary simply furthers the wrong interpretation. The LDS bible dictionary is not doctrine and is not binding as it says so itself in it’s introduction.

2.) Ether 12:27 – God gave us our weakness or made us a natural Man that makes mistakes and is fallen and has flaws. Why did he do that? So we would be humble. Why? So we would turn to his Son. Why? Because his Son makes Weakness Strengths – 2nd Cor 12:9-10. Stop beating yourself up, Paul didn’t.

3.) Many in the church want to have value placed on works.  They will say things that tend to say “I need to earn my salvation”  but these scriptures and quotes say otherwise

Helaman 14:13, Alma 24:10, Moroni 6:4, D&C 3:20, 2nd Nephi 31:19

there are many more… a whole slew of them.  Now this doesn’t mean “one only need believe, and then thou art saved” like some evangelicals proclaim.

Rather we must get in our heads Keeping commandments, accepting ordinances, doing good works are all required and necessary. But they are in place to push us to grow, progress, and through Christ’s grace receive the mighty change from Alma 5

4.) We place value on outside behavior but god looketh on the heart as the bible says and also Helaman 3:35 says it is our yielding our heart to God that brings sanctification… aka: the mighty change.

5.) To live with God again we must be justified. To do so can be done three ways.

A.) To keep the law perfectly – Only Jesus did, so sorry your out of luck here

B.) To live the gospel always pressing forward with steadfastness and repenting when you don’t: repentance means change

C.) D&C 19:15-18 to suffer for your own sins

6.)This will justify you (make you clean from your sins) but in order to live with God you must be sanctified as well (spiritually changed to be Christlike)<— this doesn’t happen instantaneouly for most, it is a journey… one day at a time.

D&C 88:21 only the sanctified will be Celestial. Sanctification comes from yoking with Christ and using his Grace or enabling power to change (Ether 12:27). This change will happen in the eternities for many who would have done so here if the opportunity presented itself. Perfection is an eternal Goal, will not be achieved in this life.

7.)So how do we access this. Grace comes in as soon as we exercise faith and grace added to Grace as we live more and more of the gospel in our heart. Moroni 10:32 – 33 – you must see this scripture as a process and you must not think that you have to reach a certain level of righteousness at any one point in this life. Notice how we become perfected in Christ then later we become perfect in Christ.

8.) To be perfected in Christ is to yoke with him in the baptismal covenant and live that covenant. When we do so we have a relationship with Christ. We borrow his perfection as we keep this covenant. His grace is at work in our life perfecting us.

9.) What is the covenant – Mosiah 18 – be “willing” to mourn with those that mourn, comfort those in need of comfort, stand as a witness of him, remember him always (sacrament), and repent when you mess up. Look at the bread prayer and Water Prayer of the sacrament – Only the bread asks us to keep the commandments but it also says “willing”. The Water prayer says neither. If you had to “keep the commandments” to have his spirit – you would break the covenant within minutes of making it and he would be bound to remove the spirit from you all the time. But if your promise is to be willing to keep the commandments then you can do it. It measures your desires, and attitude, and motives. You still must repent when behavior is sin but that too demonstrates your heart and willingness to be humble and to follow him.

There is so much more to this but this is a good outline of my feelings on the subject.

I will conclude with this. The church on LDS.ORG has this definiton of Grace which is newer and I feel 100% on

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?l … 82620aRCRD


Grace is the help or strength given through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ. Through the grace of God, everyone who has lived will be resurrected—our spirits will be reunited with our bodies, never again to be separated. Through His grace, the Lord also enables those who live His gospel to repent and be forgiven.

Grace is a gift from Heavenly Father given through His Son, Jesus Christ. The word grace, as used in the scriptures, refers primarily to enabling power and spiritual healing offered through the mercy and love of Jesus Christ.

Everyone on earth experiences physical death. Through the grace of Jesus Christ, all will be resurrected and will live forever (see 1 Corinthians 15:20–22; 2 Nephi 9:6–13).

Because of personal choices, everyone also experiences the effects of sin (see 1 John 1:8–10; Mosiah 16:4). These effects are called spiritual death. No one can return to the presence of God without divine grace. Through the Atonement, we all can be forgiven of our sins; we can become clean before God. To receive this enabling power, we must obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, which includes having faith in Him, repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and trying to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ for the rest of our lives (see Ephesians 2:8–9; James 2:17–22; 2 Nephi 25:23; 31:20).

The grace of God helps us every day. It strengthens us to do good works we could not do on our own. The Lord promised that if we humble ourselves before Him and have faith in Him, His grace will help us overcome all our personal weaknesses (see Ether 12:27).

Notice the word Trying (I bolded, italicized, and underlined). Compare this definition with the LDS Bible Dictionary. See the difference?


004: Doctrine of Christ Pt. 3

Doctrine of Christ
In this episode we focus on Grace, Mercy and their role in Justification and Sactification.  This discussion leads us into the following podcast on Ordinances Good Works.

Resources to help one study these topics

Brad Wilcox “His Grace is Suffcient” – http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1966

Gerald Lund “Salvation By Grace or Works” – http://www.lds.org/ensign/1981/04/salvation-by-grace-or-by-works

Robert Millet  “Grace, after all we can do” – http://byutv.org/watch/60717463-af28-4478-b759-b51f0278d1cb


003: Best of Stories and Parables in the Church

This episode of Mormon Discussion shares with you short snippets from some of the best talks in the church. The snippets used are the stories and parables that have touched me and I hope after listening you might take time to check out their talks to see these stories in their context. My podcast in non-profit and these talks are copyrighted so please do not violate that copyright.

Stephen Robinson – Believing Christ

Elder Holland – Safety for the Soul

Dale Sturm – Faith is a Decision

Brad Wilcox – His Grace is Suffcient

Elder Holland- The Only True God